The Vishwaguru Revelation: Retd. Maj. Gen. G.D. Bakshi Interviews Maitreya Dadashreeji.

Full English Translation

MG Bakshi : Pranaam dadashreeji,

Dadashreeji : Namaste

MG Bakshi : With your permission, may I start? You see in the army, we always ask – May I have your permission to start?

Dadashreeji : Please, please. Please do.

MG Bakshi : At the onset I would like to offer my gratitude for giving me the opportunity to come the Ashram, in the midst of nature.  Vanaspathayeh Shanti -peace comes to us from the plants, tranquility comes to us from the trees. You get so much peace from the vegetation around the ashram and you then spread that peace around the world. I am so so grateful that just like there used to be ashrams of the Rishis in the ancient past, you have created a similar ashram here in the forest.

I have one question. I am a soldier and I have spend my entire life, nearly 37 years, fighting for the nation. Today, I have a regret. During our freedom struggle, Mahatma Gandhi taught us to fight using the path of non violence. But Bhagwan (Lord)- it’s a tragedy today that while WE are a compassionate and kind hearted people but the people around us are ready to pounce on us, given an opportunity.  If they get half a chance, they would destroy all our temples, burn our cities like they burnt Nalanda (name of a great university in ancient India) in the past, whose library kept on burning for 6 months. Isn’t it about time that we change our mindsets and leave the path of non violence. While non violence has its importance, as we have read in the  Mahabharat (a historical scripture of India which includes the Bhagwat Gita-Sermon given by Shri Krishna) – Ahimsa Parmo Dharma – ”Non violence is the highest duty for humans”. In the recent past, we have been taught only the first part of this shloka.  Whereas the second part of this shloka- Dharma Hinsa Tathaiva Ch – which translates “resorting to violence in order to save Dharma (Righteousness) is an even greater duty.” Thus implying that when Dharma comes under attack then resorting to violence to protect it is even more desirable than non violence. We need your guidance that shouldn’t there be a mind shift and a paradigm change in our masses. While we follow our scriptures, we should be ready to pick up the weapons and use them as required. Especially, to safe guard our people from such violent natured beings.  I need your thoughts and guidance on this please.

Dadashreeji: The answer to your question Bakshi ji, lies in the very words that you just spoke. But first, I would like to say that I am so happy to receive you here at the Ashram. An Indian soldier like you has come to the house of a saint.  Your  presence is very beneficial for us to fulfill the purpose of this land, the ashram and all the deities who reside in the ashram.  So what can we both, a soldier and a saint/Spiritual leader,  understand together while seeing today’s circumstances and what message can we give to the people? In that context, what you said and implied/asked that “Is it the right time to change our mindset” …. Well, the answer is yes. When we look at this (right) time and look back at the history of our freedom struggle, there was a period between 1885-1905, where we took a moderate and kind hearted approach towards the British. We tried to understand them better and work constructively to become a part of their administrative setup so that we could slowly change it. After 1905, we saw the rise of a more extremist outlook towards British.  People realized that we can’t be a part of this set up and hoped to change it. We needed to bring a new order. Henceforth, the soft and the extremist groups started working in parallel towards the same goal. You can relate this to the present day situation in the country as well as the world. We kept a kind hearted approach so far, as that is our basic nature. However, we have realized, that our softness/kindness was misinterpreted. And therefore, we are now replacing our soft approach with a hard one.   Those who didn’t understand our kindness, should we still keep our soft approach towards them? To explain this, imagine there is a school. A classroom full of students where a teacher is taking the class. 

All the students are not alike. Some of them are dedicated, intelligent, obedient and sincere. They do their homework diligently and follow all instructions and the teacher doesn’t have to even raise his voice to them. Another group of students is not attentive but once scolded, they follow the direction of the teacher and complete their assignments. A third group of students, has to be punished by the teacher and only then they understand and follow the directions. However, some students, refuse to follow any of the directions given by teacher despite him taking all the above mentioned steps.  These students have to be expelled from the school.  Now this is a process that is also followed by nature (Divine) at all levels. So please understand that maybe we are moving in that direction now. For all these years, so many wrongs were happening in the whole world and the divine chose not to act. We kept a kind approach towards everyone but today the time has come when punishment and kind heartedness will go together. If you are an obedient/intelligent child, who is understanding the teachings, studying diligently everyday, then you will be dealt with kindness. But those who don’t do this, they have to be ready to face the punishment. Right now it’s a critical time both for our country and the world.

If we look at ourselves as Vishwaguru (spiritual guide) to the world, which by the way, we already are since time immemorial…. but if we are now working towards recognition of the same by the world, then we will have to tread very carefully, keeping our spiritual values upfront.  If the rulers (Government) as well as the spiritual leaders work together in tandem, then we can realize this dream. When doing this, we do understand that there would be some people who don’t like this and they don’t want this to happen.  Here we are talking about certain people and their ideologies and not about the country or dharma (righteousness). We WILL deliver the appropriate message to the masses as per the requirement of the time.

Everyone will need to understand this: “It is the demand of the present time that the ideologies which are on the path of ignorance, are trying to take the Divine’s creation towards destruction and have such a negative mindset will need to be stopped by us.” 

So people have two choices. Either they keep a constructive approach and walk on the positive path or they can choose to have a negative mindset and as a result will only try to do destructive activities putting the world in danger.

Therefore today, understanding the intentions and actions of people, the moment we see instability erupting anywhere due to negative actions of some people, we will immediately come in and let them know that they are doing wrong actions. In such a situation I say to those people that it is not our intention to give you suffering, rather we are there to make you understand, get you back on the right path as a teacher and a Guru. You did not understand therefore we are now making you understand. This will now happen all over the world and it isn’t that we are limiting ourselves to only 2-3 countries. Bharat (India) has a huge task because it is the oldest civilization on the planet. Vedic knowledge is the highest knowledge. Societies and people all over the world are asking our country to guide them onto the right path. That is the role and context. “This is not about Violence or non-violence, this is about Justice.” 

We all need to do whatever is required to be done for Justice. This is the mindset of the Divine now and this is what he wants to do. So everyone needs to understand this. The first question IS that what is it that the Divine wants. “And the Divine wants that now there has to be Justice.” This is the feeling (mindset) with which we will now move ahead. And I am very happy that you come from the field(organization) which acts whenever there is any act against the country, and not just in a physical sense but also against the Spiritual traditions which are the very foundation of this country. And I know that you have that connect to the Spiritual side. If you had not chosen to join the army, you would have gone ahead on the Spiritual side and maybe instead of seeing you in the role of a Soldier, we would have seen you in the role of a Saint working to uplift his country. The Divine pulled/made you to become a soldier but at your core you are working with a Spiritual mindset and like a saint only. People may not know this, but I do. You have a very evolved Spiritual state which has enabled you to work and contribute so much to your nation and for that we all thank you. Please do tell us about that as well.  

Maj Gen Bakshi : Dadashreeji,  there is a tradition in this nation called Brahma-Kshatra (this is the concept of a cooperation/interplay between the Brahmins/priests and Kshatriyas/warriors whenever the situation demands).

From time to time the spirit of “Yada Yada hee dharmasya … “ (starting words of a very important verse stated by Krishna in The Bhagwad Gita) has come into play. Whenever righteousness has come under attack, Brahmins have kept the scriptures aside and lifted weapons along with Kshatriyas. And actually my own family traces it’s origins to Parshuram (Vishnu’s 6^th avatar) on my Father’s side and Dronacharya (Guru of the Pandavas in Mahabharat) on my Mother’s side. So the ones who lived in Ashrams and used to study and teach the scriptures had to lift weapons. It was Guru Ram Das who taught and motivated Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj to go and fight the invaders and free the nation from their rule and atrocities. Thus sages went to war leaving their ashrams and this tradition of Saints and Soldiers fighting together has been only in our nation. Be it Guru Gobind Singh ji Maharaj or Maharana Prataap, what were they if not Saints who became soldiers? Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj was also a Saint-Soldier in one way. Thus this Brahma-Shastra tradition has been an intrinsic part of our Nation’s history. And this gives rise to my next question for you.

When such a dangerous and tough time has come for the Nation, where in addition to external threats you have internal enemies that are trying to damage the Nation. When such negative forces within the country are working treacherously to weaken our unity and break up our Nation. At such a time shouldn’t the Spiritual forces also join the battle to protect the Nation ? Acharya Chanakya ( a teacher who created the powerful Maurya Kingdom 2400 years back) also did the same. He said that a Powerful Kingdom that encompasses and unites the whole of India is a necessity to thwart invaders like Alexander, Mohammad Ghori and Gaznavi who come to plunder our land. Our Nation was known as the Golden Bird but where have the riches “flown off” today. Our Gold was looted and taken away my Lord and we couldn’t protect it. So once again, shouldn’t Spiritual Forces be used to protect the Nation at this point and time? If you could shed some light on this ?

Dadashreeji : This is the wrong understanding and notion that exists Bakshi ji. When people look at the Spiritual guides, they think that we are passive, far from the society, sitting in caves and have nothing to do with the society. This is a very wrong notion where people say that - oh you are going into spirituality so you will go away from the world/society. Now the time has come to correct this mindset/notion. “Spirituality does not mean this and does not take you away from the world and society”.

You look at the lives of any Saint, Mahatma in the past. Once you study their lives carefully, you realize that all of them worked for the society. You may get a feeling that they went away from the world, but even when they go and live in soltitude their full attention was on the society. This means theirs was not a Poorna Sanyaas (complete renunciation), because when they went away and experienced the truth, they then realized that they have to work for the society. You look at the life of Adi Shankaracharya, he worked for the society. You look at Shri Krishna, Gautam Buddha or anyone else … my Guru Mahavatar Babaji, he is sitting in the Himalayas, but his full focus is on the country, on the society. Naga Sadhus are sitting in the caves out there, but their focus is fully on the society. SO you will see that all the people (Saints/Gurus/Sadhus) who go away still keep their focus on the society. But the common people carry the notion that no no, you are going away and taking Sanyaas and therefore are inactive. But when you experience the Divine/Truth you become a doer, do more work and become more practical. This fact people don’t know because they haven’t experienced the truth. They read books, look at someone else, wear an attire, chant with a Mala, see someone in a cave and think they have left their home …. But this is just the starting phase.

Once the realization happens, you come back to the society because you come to know that my work is to contribute to the society. “God’s Avatars (incarnations) also take birth for the society only and don’t stay away from it when they come”. They descend for the society/humanity only. So today everyone will need to understand this :

1)  Spirituality definitely is a state that is Nirakaar Avastha (Formless state of being). It is away from everyone in one sense, that is for sure.

2)  The second state is to guide the people. That is also there.

3)  And the third state, which is in play today, is to do Justice. Today the Divine, the time, the Spiritual power wants to do Justice.

So we will need to go ahead with this mindset. Many times it happens that people look at the knowledge base from our history, read about it but don’t do anything with it. I want that they should work to bring that atmosphere back now. They will have to Live that Knowledge. For us the highest knowledge is the Vedic Knowledge. It could be something else for others. Now it is not because I have taken birth in Bharat/India that I am saying that Vedic Knowledge is the highest. I am saying this after studying, understanding and experiencing that knowledge. Now this may not be as per someone else probably because they haven’t studied or understood it. I also understood the knowledge when my Guruji explained it to me. He explained what is what and it was then that I understood the deeper meaning of the Vedic Scriptures.

Subsequently when my Spiritual journey started I felt that being in this “state” does not imply that I keep a distance from the masses. When you experience “Shunya” (nothingness) inside you, then you get the urge and feeling to help humanity and that makes you start your work in the society. And while doing this work for the society, today when you ask that can Scriptures and Weapons  work in tandem, please remember that when the Divine delivers Justice then there is No Form of the Divine that doesn’t carry an Astra (celestial weapons) and a Shastra (physical weapons) in their hands.  Shastra and Astra are different but the Divine has both of them. The Divine keeps the Astra and Shastra with him, but he will use them only HE sees the need …… when a child of his refuses to listen (mend his ways) then the weapons are required, and the Divine decides to use them.

Today such a time has come. And this has been sensed in advance by all the saints and sages, whether in the Himalayas or elsewhere in the country who are doing dhyan sadhana.  I am not talking about the ones that appear regularly on TV, but the Saints who remain away from the limelight and live in seclusion, like your Guru, and who are in that state of sadhana. They have already seen how the coming time is going to be.

So please understand that the preparation for todays time has already happened. So today we are in 2025,  but Maitribodh Parivaar has been preparing for this since 2013 and I have been saying since then - “The time for Transformation has come. Many things are going to happen so please get ready for it.” We have prepared thousands of people from the last few years and therefore those people are not confused by what is happening today because they knew beforehand that all these things are going to happen. They knew that such and such events will take place and we have to be ready at that time. All of our people have been prepared at the internal, spiritual, physical, mental and emotional levels. Therefore now we are coming out and working and saying that today we have to set everyone right. The Divine has taken the decision that he is going to take charge and control everything now. And you will see Bakshi ji that slowly slowly in the next few years Everything will be controlled by him.

And you will see the Bharat that you WANT to see, a Bharat that is Majestic, Glorious, Prosperous, Peaceful … indeed a “Golden Bird” like it was known in the past. You will see all that coming back. This Nation lacks nothing. Even if someone took away our riches, we will think we gave it away as charity and this Nation will create New Riches. Even more prosperity will come than before. This is indeed such a Nation of prosperity and happiness. It is the Highest Fortune for anyone to be born here  and on the same note if someone takes birth on this land and doesn’t understand it’s glory then he/she is most unfortunate and that birth becomes meaningless. To be born here and not understanding why this Nation is so special means a wasted life.

You must have traveled all across this land and would also have traveled abroad. When you travel abroad then you understand the importance of this country and realize why it is the most special, most amazing land. We say this after we travel everywhere. People from around the world also travel everywhere but after they come here and see/experience Bharat, they feel that something is different and unique in this country. The energy, warmth, affection and friendliness that they find here, they don’t find it anywhere else.

So today it is the truth which no one can deny that the time has come to use Spiritual Energy. In other countries you will find certain Spiritual courses being offered which claim that we will awaken your Kundalini, you will gain certain powers and be able to “see” what others can’t and do Astral travels. “But people forget somewhere that the foundation of all these things is in Bharat only.” 

Today our people don’t need any training, it is IN their genes, it is IN their DNA. All they need to do is remember once that they are the son/daughter of the country Bharat and they will get all the powers because it is in your genes. And you can use them to make your country better. And there are many Saints and Mahatamas in the country who use these powers to help and protect it. Recently there was this incident between our country and another one, whatever happened and there was a war like situation. During that skirmish, many Saints and Mahatmas  worked together and made their contribution for the country. So Spiritual Power is there, Administrative (Govt) power is there and the general Populace is also there. Everyone came together and made a contribution. Everyone will need to understand that when the Armed

Forces are standing at the border, we all are standing behind them. All the soldiers should hear this that they are not alone. May they feel in their hearts that they are not alone and all the Saints, Mahatmas and the people of the country are with them through their spiritual powers and prayers. So nobody can defeat them. There would be no Soldiers in the world who get so much support, so much power… this is the specialty of our country and the time has come ….

Maj Gen Bakshi : It’s like “we are holding your back”

Dadashreeji: All the time, all the time, and this has happened. So many miracles happened just now, so many miracles, how people got saved, got out of a particular zone. So many things like this happened which was unbelievable, like someone caught in a situation where they thought they were going to die but suddenly got a reprieve/support from somewhere and were saved. So all this is Divine blessing. Everyone got it this time and this will go on increasing … You keep watching… this is a new time and accordingly we have to work with new thoughts and a new energy.

Maj Gen Bakshi :    From the 1970’s there started a trend of people travelling to India from abroad for a particular reason. The declassified papers of the CIA reveal that the Americans were very concerned about the USSR using psychic powers for espionage activities, mind control and to increase their influence in the world. And since the Americans have a habit of one upping, like the case of reaching the moon first – we will reach the moon before the Russians do – So they started studying psychic powers in a big way. And in this endeavor they first came to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ji. Because he had made a very simple method of Transcedental Meditation, which had a very standardized format, that enabled westerners to learn Dhyan Kriya very fast. So they did a lot of research. In fact scientists/scholars came from the top universities of USA and carried out research.

The second phase that I saw was also in the 1970’s decade. While the first one had started in the 60’s and picked up in the 70’s, it increased even more as they were trying to win this Psychic war. My Guru’s Guru Swami Muktanand, who was a disciple of Avadhoot Nityanand Maharaj, had a very beautiful Ashram in Ganeshpuri and western people used to come there to learn Dhyana and Yog. They took this knowledge back to the United States, and now when the documents have been declassified, just like you mentioned, it has come out that they were doing Astral Travel and Remote Viewing experiments. They were told to go to USSR to see the nuclear submarines being constructed and bring back information on that. Go to Italy, read what is on a particular computer screen and tell us.

So they were using Spiritual powers/processes to protect their country. Is this justified? From a Spiritual standpoint can these powers be used like this, not for selfish reasons but for protecting the country ?  Do the Vedas have anything on this because in Atharva Veda has a mantra “Maranam, Mohanam, Vashyam, Stambhaham”…. As per which we can do such actions. There is the Yatu Vidya as well. Is the use of these powers justified in today’s situation ?

Dadashreeji : You have touched on a very good topic. Now a teacher is teaching and students are sitting. The people you have spoken about are all students and they learnt everything from Bharat. Please understand this difference. They can say they have learnt such and such things. But our culture is so ancient and no other place can compare. So the answer to your question is in this fact only. The country which has the oldest civilization and culture is the one that will disseminate everything to everyone. And even in the past everyone learnt from that country. Now when they do these courses related to Remote Viewing, if 25 students are sitting maybe 10-15 will be able to learn and the rest won’t get it. The process will work for someone and not for another. And there is no answer as to why it didn’t work for the rest.

But when we look inside the country, as I said before, it is in your blood and genes. “All you need to say is that I am ready and I want to contribute towards my country.” And that power will start working through you. When a teacher teaches such an important knowledge to students, he keeps ONE critical part with himself. So after he has taught them everything, there is still One thing that he keeps with himself. So we taught them the knowledge but there is something that we held back with us which we will use when we need to. And that part is : The Divine power is here in this land. All the Avatars (incarnations) of God, all the Mahatmas and Rishis have been born on this land. SO many Mahatamas have taken birth in this land. So no one else knows how to use the Divine power. Now you mentioned about the processes described in the Atharva Veda. Despite that people are alive everywhere. So nobody has been able to use the “Maarana” Kriya.  Now-a-days when someone gets jealous of another, they go to certain Kriya Practitioners and give them money to perform a kriya against their adversary. These acts  are wrong and create bad karma. There is no escaping from the result that comes back to the person doing such a karma and even his Guru can’t save him. So one shouldn’t follow this path.

However when the question of protecting the country arises, when it is about welfare of the society and the world at large, then the above line of thought ends and everything is justified.  If an action is saving millions of people, saving my country and it’s culture, then you shouldn’t think about whether it was right or wrong. Justified or non-justified doesn’t come into play in this case. So you can use whatever you have learnt as long as it is for the good / welfare of the world. That way, whatever I have received has come from my Guru and he only talks about love and friendship. And that is what we teach. If there is instability anywhere caused by Asuras (people with a destructive and negative mindset) who are living there, there you will have to rise and do something about it. Like we talk about Transformation.“In that context there is a time of Amrit Manthan (churning the ocean to extract the nector of immortality).” There is going to be a war between the Sura and Asura (positive and negative people). As I had mentioned in a talk a few months back, when this war happens between the two, then you will need to make a choice and choose whether you are with the Suras or Asuras / Devatas or Rakshasas.

Maj Gen Bakshi : You can’t be neutral.

Dadashreeji : Yes, you can’t be neutral. No one can be neutral. If anyone tries, then they will be struck for thousands of years, You will need to pick one side. So if you are with the Devatas and Amrit is coming out, then you have to remember that there will be that one Asura who will masquerade as a Sura and come and sit with the Devatas and manage to get a sip of the Amrit. So all of us will need to have this clarity that there could be that ONE who could manage to do the course and learn the kriya/technique and take that knowledge with him. Then also remember that the Divine is also present in all this and no one can mess around. Astras are the weapons from the astral world and are not physical. Shastras are the weapons in the physical world which you can test, deploy and use. Astras remain mostly with the Divine. Only the Rishis and Mahatmas who came had access to them. But the common people, the Kshatriyas have the Shastras.

Now we always say that keep the feeling of kind heartedness and while this is for the devotees of the Divine who want to follow the path shown by him, it is also for the atheists who have not followed that path, could not understand the Divine and the importance of Love, Maitri and peace. There is no ambiguity in this. And this is not something I have said only recently, rather I have been saying it for years … it’s been 12-13 years and I have been repeating the same thing. Now many times some people say, “Dadashreeji, you have been saying repeatedly that something big will happen, but nothing like that has really happened.”  I tell them that look at so many countries around the world. Bharat is fortunate and that is because of the Divine’s blessing. But around the world there is lot of instability and slowly slowly the intensity is increasing. Now recently a time had come when something major could have happened. “The Divine interfered directly at that time and stopped what might have happened.”

Here we also have to be aware that there are a lot of people in the country whose line of work, livelihood is related to current events. They will also need to understand that the fear mongering that they indulge in, which creates fear and anxiety in the masses ….. there are some spiritual leaders as well who come on TV and say this might happen or that might happen ….

Maj Gen Bakshi : they talk about a possible Nuclear attack

Dadashreeji : yes the Nuclear fear mongering , all this is not correct and all these people cannot do this. I am again saying this to you Bakshi ji and through you to everyone that “this land is a special land because the Divine exists here. The Divine has incarnated here only. The Spiritual power rests here and Vedic Knowledge has also come from here.” And the Vedic knowledge exists from the ancient times, not even thousands but from hundreds of thousand years back. You cannot date the Vedas even if you try. And you also don’t need to find the starting year as whenever you conclude something, after some time you will get another evidence that will predate that year. You need to understand that this knowledge is Sanatana (Eternal). It existed from the very beginning of the Universe and has been given by the Divine. This land where the Divine exists, where he has taken incarnations, where Shiv ji lives, nothing can ever happen to such a land. So the ones doing fear mongering And the ones getting frightened by that, both need to understand that nothing will ever happen to this land. You will need to have devotion as well as faith that MY DIVINE IS THERE ……

Maj Gen Bakshi : Ashwasthama ( a warrior in the Mahabharat war) invoked the Brahma-Astra ( the most potent and destructive Astral weapon) and what a heavy punishment he got from Shri Krishna …

Dadashreeji : yes, just think about it … what an apt example you have given. He invoked the Brahma-Astra and the Divine immediately intervened so why won’t he do it now? He will intervene here also, you just need to have faith. The devotees understand this, but the “intellectuals” don’t. The ones who argue using rationale/logic don’t understand this. To understand Vedic knowledge you need devotion, you need love and then you understand it clearly.  

“So whenever you take any such action (of using Spiritual Powers) it is compulsive to do Kriyas for Self Purification. That I need to purify myself from within and remove jealousy, envy, anger…” Now no one is prepared to do this. Therefore when true Gurus/Saints carry out such actions then the result is very substantive, very powerful. Everyone will need to understand  that this fear mongering should be stopped.  The Divine is there to look after this Nation. So spiritual leaders should tell and teach people what they actually know. What “could” have happened, “How many” could have died, nobody should talk about this. We are safe. We have to now see that what we have to do in the future and what the Nation has to do in future. Our future is very bright …. The future is very bright now… in the future whether you, me , the ones listening survive or not, THE NATION WILL. The Nation will be there and will go to the state of glory and prosperity. And that is the decision that the Divine has taken. And he will not allow anything to happen to anyone. I have told everyone that please move to Bharat as this is the most safe country. Come on over to the Ashram. Nothing will happen to you here. Everyone stays safe in this country.

Maj Gen Bakshi : Dadashree you have pointed towards the future. Your Spiritual State is Very High, you can SEE what a common human cannot. When we see the Jyotish (Astrological) calculations, the positions of the planets are the same what they were during World War 1 and 2. The Russia Ukraine war is going on for 3 ½ years and counting. It is just going on with no end in sight. 6 million Jews were killed in the holocaust. They learnt the lesson and decided that this was the last time and no more. We will not tolerate/allow any other holocaust on us. Someone kills one of us, we will kill 1000. Recently on Oct 7^th they were attacked and 1700 of them were killed. They retaliated and have killed 250k+ and counting. There is no end. Tensions between China and Taiwan are on the rise. Tensions exist in South China sea, between India and China. Dadashreeji what is happening and what is going to happen ? It’s a matter of concern because these are not normal times.

Dadashreeji : Yes, these are not normal times.

Maj Gen Bakshi: Some major powers are destructive and repeated killings of innocent people are happening everywhere. So what is happening, please enlighten us.

Dadashreeji : Yes yes very beautiful question. You see the human mind as it exists today is going to collapse. Whatever you have achieved today you have achieved through your mind power. You have done so much for thousands of years. And after doing all that you are getting the result today in the form of what you are seeing. Where everything is breaking apart, there is instability, unrests, riots or a war like situation everywhere. Alongside there are natural calamities and they are going to increase. Economic and financial challenges are also going to increase. Now we have a small request to people, that when you are not able to understand the situation, the uncertainty … “in fact everyone has openly started saying that we are in the most uncertain times in the known history of the planet and mankind” … You do not know what will happen after one month or even 5 days … “So here all of you will have to surrender your mind” … Don’t try to apply any intellectual argument.

“Now the time has come that you should surrender to the Divine”

Could be any form of the Divine. Get hold of the Divine, of your Guru in ANY FORM. Because going ahead your brain and Intellect will not work. The more you think and run, you will only get tired. So now the easiest path or way is that surrender yourself and quieten/stop your thoughts. Now when we see that some people look at horoscopes and make astrological predictions about the world, Bakshi ji you are aware this is going on for many years … since 10 years there are predictions that the world is ending on such and such date, its going to end in 2012, in 2020 now 7 planets have formed a conjunction and everything is ending … nothing of that sort happened. But you are seeing that today’s time has become very difficult. From Solar storms to all the unrest and instability.

“My point is that whatever be their conjunction, all the planets work only as per the orders of the Divine”.

However bad may be the positions of the planets for you, IF THE DIVINE IS WITH YOU, YOUR PROBLEMS WILL PASS BY YOU WITHOUT CAUSING ANY DAMAGE.

However good may be the positions of the planets for you, IF THE DIVINE IS NOT WITH YOU, YOU WILL GET INTO TROUBLE AND SUFFER.

People are not understanding the above. Like when you came to the Ashram, you would have seen the Navagraha Sthaan ( the Deities of the nine planets). Now they do shower their blessings, but they work as per the orders of the Divine. Nobody knows this secret. They work as a team and not like the position you might see in a horoscope. You should meet such a Pandit (Astrologer) who meditates everyday, has surrendered to the Divine, who have evolved spiritually. Now when such a person studies your chart, their reading will be different from others. You should find such people who are truly knowledgeable and know the facts. This is what is lacking that we don’t know how to discriminate between true and false knowledge. Whatever is happening in the world today, it is happening as per the thoughts of the Divine. So you should have this question that What is it that the Divine is thinking. The circumstances are shaping up as per my horoscope, but I want to know what is the Divine thinking about me. The one sitting up there, in Vaikuntha Loka, in Shiv Loka, what are YOU thinking about me O Divine. What do YOU think about Bakshi ji, I want to know that. This is how it should be. The inquisitiveness should be about THIS.

Maj Gen Bakshi : What is the will of the Divine

Dadashreeji : Yes, what is the Divine will regarding me, regarding the world, the planet … that will shape your life. This is what people have to understand that we are NOW going to move in THIS direction.

Duryodhana (from the Mahabharat) had everything …

Maj Gen Bakshi : He was the commander of a huge army which was 18 Akshohini strong.

Dadashreeji : that’s right, and he had the most powerful warriors like Bheeshma, Dronacharya, Kripacharya. And he had all the riches and resources to fight the war. But he himself as the King was not on the right path. And the thing is that where there is Dharma (righteousness), where there is Krishna, that is where victory will be. This country has Dharma on it’s side, that is clearly seen. So you can see around our neighbourhood or even look at countries around the world, no matter how rich or resourceful they are, if their ruler is not good (doesn’t follow Dharma) then their destruction is certain. That will definitely happen. In our country we have capable leadership, good and talented people and plus we have saints. Things are getting better. Problems are also there. The positive thing today is that the present Government is taking everyone along and asks everyone to contribute as this is required for the country today. This is a very important thing. “That today we have Krishna with us, Krishna’s policy with us, we have Arjun along with all the Pandavas, so everyone is here in this country today.” So you please rest assured that you are going to win. Just do your karma and your duties. That is the guidance for you and everyone today that just be ready to do your karma.

Maj Gen Bakshi : One last question with your permission. We are watching the reawakening of Hindu Sanskriti or Sanatana Dharma. Ram Mandir was reconstructed, and the general atmosphere changed, we are seeing a process of reawakening. A rise in the collective consciousness is ordained. The awakening is a Puranic awakening. We are going towards Ram Mandir, Mandir in Mathura ….. Now Mandirs came later… In earlier times our Rishi Munis (Sages) would leave their villages or cities like you did and come to the forests to make Ashrams surrounded by peace, tranquility, trees, vegetation …. They would use these positive surroundings to hasten their meditation capabilities. Hasn’t the time come for a puranic revival. Please pardon me but the Mandirs we made in the past were destroyed because they had become centres for accumulation of wealth. Millions of people made offerings there that included gold, diamonds, pearls. And when the invaders attacked, the Pandits said “no need to fight, a fire will erupt and burn the attckers”… well no fire erupted because you can’t bypass the rules of the physical world set by the Divine. And our Mandirs were destroyed. Hasn’t the time time that we go back to our very roots and our roots are in the Vedas. Today if I ask any school kid to name the four Vedas, he/she won’t be able to answer. If I ask them what is the core religious scripture of the Hindus, they will say The Geeta. Now Geeta is a sacred and important scripture, the Upanishads are also there, but they emanate from the Vedas only. We have forgotten our basic roots. We will have to go back to Ashrams like this one. With your blessings we have launched a small movement/project – One Tapovan (Meditation zone) in every village, 10 Tapovans in every small city, and 100 to 1000 Tapovans in big cities depending on city size.

Dadashreeji : That is such a beautiful campaign

Maj Gen Bakshi : small small Tapovans where there is nothing big, just one grass hut (canopy) without any walls providing people a plave to sit and meditate, do vipaasna, practice mauna,sit in peace and enjoy the tranquility of the vegetation around this space. This is to try and nudge them towards the Vedic path. What is your suggestion on all the above?

Dadashreeji : Very  good, very good. Now you spoke about the Ram Mandir. We used to think earlier that there should be this ONE incident/event in our lives which brings out all the different types of emotions – where you feel amused, angry as well as ashamed. It is difficult to find a single incident where all these three emotions are seen. So we saw these three emotions when the Ram Mandir was inaugurated. Because please understand that Bhagwan Shri Ram is the Very Symbol of your Sanskriti and civilization. So we don’t see just in the form of a person, rather  when we look at how to LIVE our Sanskriti, at the consciousness level and the body level, then “Prabhu Shri Ram is the Symbol of that.” That his Mandir was not built for such a long time IN Bharat is laughable at one level, is shameful as well and evokes anger at the same time. So I saw all these emotions in this single event. Now here the question comes… we made the mandir and I was present at the inauguration as well, it was beautifully conducted… but now the thing is that after the Mandir has been made, we moved forward and took the work ahead. The topics of the second Mandir and third Mandir also came up. We have to understand like this : “Mandir is the Divine’s HOME, the Divine LIVES there”.

You will see in the Vedic knowledge world also that the Devatas (Demi Gods) come and the Rishis come. SO giving the Place to the Devatas and giving the Place to the Rishis, that is also a rule. When you perform a Havan, you have to give a designated place to the Devatas otherwise you cannot perform the Havan. That is why when you make an Ashram, you have make a HOUSE for the Main Devata of the Ashram and we call it Mandir. Here at Maitribodh parivaar we call it Home. If you see Maa’s Mandir at the Ashram it has been made in a way that it is like a home for her. There is a bed to sleep. Everything has been made properly in such a way that this is Maa’s Home. We don’t keep her there like a Deity in a Mandir. She lives there the way she likes. But if the topic of Mandir becomes a topic of speeches or money, then that creates a problem which you spoke about. It shouldn’t happen that on the pretext of reviving Sanskriti, we keep making Mandirs. And we are not able to keep/handle them properly and are not able to perlocate Sanskriti to the masses which is the actual purpose.

Shri Ram’s Mandir was made very beautifully and this created an awakening across the country for sure. Now we said that simultaneously see and learn from his qualities, see what he taught us, look at Dharma and Sanskriti as we have to walk ahead as per the path they show. “And we have to start the work to create Ram Rajya (a country and society based on ideals shown by Shri Ram).” Ram ji’s Mandir has been made and now we have to work to create his Rajya. We are moving ahead with THIS mindset. When we understand this maths and the reason behind it then we can do justice with that work and action. Now that time of Satyug, when the Rishis were there, and Rishis were basically scientists who did research …

Maj Gen Bakshi: they were scientists of consciousness ..

Dadashreeji : exactly, they explored the entire universe and searched and found all the knowledge, something no one can do today, they have done so much and that is what I say today Bakshiji that this highest knowledge they deciphered cannot be understood by the human mind. Leave alone normal peole, even for Spiritual Gurus who have evolved to a very high level it is very difficult to understand that knowledge. So understand ding Vedic knowledge is very difficult… once you also said Jal and Jal, now Jal means water and it also means burning, so what should I tell and who should I explain it to… There is a word called ‘Shukra’ that comes in the Vedas, it comes repeatedly in Rigveda. But one can’t understand the meaning of ‘shukra’. What is ‘shukra’? Is it referring to shukaanu (the potent part of the male sperm that causes pregnancy in a female) or the planet shukra (Venus is called Shukra in India) or is there a third meaning? So this can be explained only by a realized Guru. But we are not able to explain all this to the people today because their minds are not ready to receive that highest knowledge.

So for the common people we simplify the Vedic knowledge and that comes through the Upanishads. And if we have to further simplify then we come to the Bhagwad Geeta. More simple than that are the Puranas. Then we come to Katha (stories). This is for the masses. Like today when you see the world’s bureaucracy, just 2% people are the real brains who run the entire world. So similarly this knowledge also stays with 2-3 % of the people. Because it is very special. “The Vedas are ALIVE, they are not mere books. They ARE consciousness. Now the Vedas are also afraid of falling in the wrong hands.” That if wrong entities get hold of us … because it is a technique and if it reaches the wrong person then it will be misused. That is the thing. That is why this knowledge has been passed on only through Guru-Shishya Parampara. Many times we have taken this precaution, especially for this knowledge.

The Divine is there inside you, but when it comes to such a high knowledge then it is very important for a Guru to be there because he will stabilize you as well as explain to you. And many Gurus refuse to talk about this high knowledge and processes. When you become aware of the truth then you become detached from it as well. The truth has been realized and now no sermons have to be given about it. So we talk about it or interject ONLY when it is really required. Bakshi ji people are not ready (at their mind level) to understand higher knowledge even today. And like you mentioned, such Ashrams like this one should definitely be made to preserve and secure that knowledge. We have to carefully preserve this knowledge because it will definitely be required after a few years.

Maj Gen Bakshi: may the centres that preserve/secure Spiritual Treasures be there forever

Dadashreeji: absolutely … We are carrying forward and conveying Vedic knowledge in a simplified manner even though people don’t understand the mantras and processes, but we are moving with that. We teach everyone that. Rigveda also has so much mentioned about love and Maitri, everything is there.

Maj Gen Bakshi: Swami Dayanand Saraswati also reawakened the the people of Bharat towards the importance of Vedic knowledge  and today Havans are performed at so many places. And the most beautiful thing that I liked about your Ashram is that everyday morning a Havan is performed here. May the aroma of this Havan spread all over Bharat, may the aroma of the Havan spread all over this region of Aryavrat, of Bharat. And may we progress, may our country be protected. Making this request to you, with folded hands I express my gratitude to you and if you permit I would like to recite a small poem I wrote while sitting in a forest. After my Guru gave me Deeksha (Initiated me) he would call me to his ashram and ask me to sit under the trees and soak in the peace emanating from them.

Maj Gen Bakshi recites his poem :

I got freedom in the midst of nature,

 Under a  tree laden with flowers

Where thousands of honey bees

Were humming that Maha Mantra together

Hearing the sound of the bees

I sat awestruck under that tree

Lost in the vibration of that humming

Listening to it transfixed

Feeling an ocean of peace inside

It’s waves bursting in my heart

Then came a endless storm of bliss

Every cell of my body filling with elation

The air around me filled with nectar of Divine

A river of happiness and joy inside me

I asked, have I transcended this realm

But no, that was just a glimpse of the ocean of bliss

Just a drop of the Divine nectar it was

The taste of which amazed me

A tsunami came in my entire consciousness

And then left just like it came

Leaving me dry lifeless empty

Like a dry well that was once brimming with water.  

  These words and feelings are from an experience in 1976. Once again I express my gratitude, that today this opportunity to be in your presence has given me that same experience. I express my deepest gratitude.

Dadashreeji Smiles and blesses.

Original Interview Youtube link in Hindi:

https://youtu.be/FF0-LZFn_rc?si=nENCK0tvaiHW-C9O